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09-08-2007, 12:44 AM
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First to explain the issue facing some directories ... When we search for a directory on Google's site using www.domain.com most directories will come up as the first search result. However if enclosed in quotes "www.domain.com" many directories are NOT in the first result. Often these directories do not appear for targetted keywords in the first 30 or 40 results. Some people are also noting a drop in the number of indexed pages. This has led some people to speculate there is a error in Google's reults OR there has been a penalty applied. The sites are NOT banned since they appear in the index when searching for their domain name. For the most part page rank has remained unchanged, where a banned site will usually show a gray bar. So the big question --- "what is going on here?"
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09-08-2007, 01:27 AM
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We are currently studying over 300 bid directories to see how they have been affected, in what numbers, and with any kind of luck ... why! So far we have looked at 274 directories and the problem is both worse than expected and yet encouraging. The worst part is that many forums and blogs are stating only 60 directories were affected, but of the 274 bid directories examined, 91 are experiencing this problem. Remember we are only looking at BID DIRECTORIES! Paid directories and I expect free directories are probably also having the same issues. (I'll leave that up to someone else to prove). The good news is that ALL bid directories are NOT being singled out.  A number of factors have been looked at and we can't say why these 91 were singled out yet. But we can eliminate some of the factors we did look into .... 1. SITE WIDE LINKS Many of the sites still in the SERPs have site wides on their pages and have also purchased site wide links for their bid directories. 2. PAID LINKS The distibution of back links is relatively similar for both classes of bid directories. There does not appear to be any significant difference in the numbers or types of links employed. Each appears to have significant numbers of forum links, site wides and paid links. 3. SELLING PAGE RANK Again there does not appear to be any difference in the distribution of PR. Some sites with high rank have been spared while others have problems ranking for searches of any kind. There are also many sites that have PR0 or N/A that have also been affected. 4. ADULT LINKS We checked to see if sites that allowed gambling, lingerie, or adult links showed any difference --- no! 5. SITE AGE There was some speculation that maybe Google just had not gotten around to some of the newer directories. There are still two sites in search results that were indexed at the beginning of January. In addition some sites are so new they only have 4-5 links pointing to their sites --- none paid by the way!
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09-09-2007, 01:23 AM
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We have taken a slightly different tact in looking at the problem and are now assuming that the indexing issue is internal to the websites. Google has always said there is almost nothing another webmaster can do to hurt your site ... 6. EMPTY CATEGORIES We are seeing many websites that have a huge number of empty categories .... if you don't have listings on a page you should nofollow these empty pages. Like charities are ever going to bid for position.  7. DUPLICATE CONTENT Now here is an issue that looks like it is causing our problem .... large numbers of sites are showing duplicate content AND having indexing problems. Also many sites that are not having issues show very little duplication in content. At first glance I was thrown off due to several sites having a large amount of duplicate text but no problems. However after checking again we are seeing that this is mostly template duplication --- must not draw a penalty? I strongly suggest you run your entire sites through Copyscape --- it now looks like we created this problem ourselves!!!! SO MUCH TIME WASTED LISTENING TO SEO EXPERTS, GOOGLE BASHERS AND DIRECTORY HATERS!!!!
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09-09-2007, 02:29 AM
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Here are some of the numbers we found .... just looking at the home pages! Showing PR, Duplication, and Links Top 10 Sites NO Indexing Problem PR4 - 19 words matching 228,017 PR7 - No copies found 89,531 PR4 - 94 words matching 56,417 PR4 - 81 words matching 36,359 PR3 - 42 words matching 24,878 PR0 - 35 words matching 19,590 PR0 - 58 words matching 19,297 PR2 - 18 words matching 18,746 PR0 - 97 words matching 16,704 PR2 - 49 words matching 15,661 Top 10 Sites WITH Indexing Problem PR7 - 627 words matching 1,203,902 PR4 - 513 words matching 159,792 PR5 - 19 words matching 58,461 PR0 - 61 words matching 45,839 PR6 - 239 words matching 27,572 PR4 - 188 words matching 17,387 PR3 - 171 words matching 17,231 PR0 - 746 words matching 13,421 PR0 - 116 words matching 12,769 PR0 - 174 words matching 10,290 Google may have made some improvements to their duplication filter ... This may not be the only change! Google is notorious for making multiple revisions to their algorithm to hide the filters being implemented. Got to go work on my own site now (125 words matching) 
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09-09-2007, 02:17 PM
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Nice research rtchar!
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09-09-2007, 04:23 PM
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Thanks! It makes sense when you see dozens of sites using the same templates, with the same categories (mostly empty) and all of them featuring the same links from the same bidders. We are verifying from the bottom up and the theory still holds. PR0 - 54 words matching with 5 in bound links. This site has sold a grand total of 4 links. Does it make sense that Google would penalize this site by hand? I am not sure if we need to file a reinclusion request after all the duplicate content has been removed ...
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09-09-2007, 11:15 PM
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09-09-2007, 11:45 PM
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It almost looks like there was an exception to the duplicate content filter if directory links were involved. Looks to me like Google is simply applying the same standard to directories as they do on every other site that has faced a duplicate content penalty. They must be able to tweak it by industry? The exact same thing has happened to affiliate sites, and in the real estate industry last year. Strangely we have not seen it happen to books, shareware and music sites ... yet!
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09-11-2007, 01:25 PM
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RTChar! Excellent!!! That's all can say, Excellent! thanks so much for your well thought out posts! Lance
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09-11-2007, 02:23 PM
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I see Google is starting to de-index some sites ... Maybe somebody should point this thread out to Mikey! I checked his home page on Copyscape ... Quote:
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09-11-2007, 03:05 PM
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rtchar... How often is copyscape updated? I have tried changing some of my text but it keeps showing up...  I am sure it isn't real-time, but I was curious if you knew. Lance
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09-11-2007, 04:08 PM
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As soon as I upload the changes I recheck the page ... they only show the top ten with each search and there is more than that sometimes.
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09-12-2007, 04:02 PM
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I tried to use it on these forums and it returned too many erroneous results. I wonder if it's bread and butter is less script driven sites that have more content.
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09-12-2007, 06:00 PM
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Copyscape is far from a perfect tool ... it simply searches for blocks of matching text. There is not a lot of intelligence behind it, you still have to determine if the level of duplication is acceptable or not. That said it is the best/only tool available for free online that does this efficiently. You can accomplish the same task manually by searching for quoted sentences in Google and then look for progessively smaller phrases until you are satisfied that duplication does not exist.
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